009 EU Meetup October 30, 2017

We had a very special guest today: Dr. Donald Scott!

We discussed Birkeland Currents of course and the generally upside down way math is taught in schools.

T Howard Patents

T Howard Patents

Ammons Horn

Hippocampus – Pegasus

Hippocampus – Pegasus

Ammons Horn

Buddy Dougherty sent me an email reqesting that I contact Dr. Scott:

9:40 AM (13 hours ago)

to dascott2BuddykrackonisjhafnerJimJuanDon86326
Hi Dr. Scott and Annis,
Buddy Dougherty asked me to contact you and invite you to join our EU Meetup on Skype this evening at 7pm ET.
We would be very honored for you to attend. I can help set you up on Skype and test your connection.
My Skype Name is:
You can also reach me on:
Looking forward to speaking with you.


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From: Buddy Dougherty <goldenscaling@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, Oct 30, 2017 at 8:07 AM
Subject: Meeting tonight
To: David Johnson <dj@argos.vu>, dascott2@cox.net

Can you please contact Donald Scott and hook him up with how to Skype for the meeting tonight Annis was asking.

Email him if you could thank you.


008 EU Meetup October 23, 2017


to jhafnerJimJuanDon86326
Greetings all 🙂
Please join us for the Skype meetup tomorrow:
Monday: October 23, 2017 at
UTC-3       8:00pm
ET             7:00pm
Mountain   5:00pm
PT             4:00pm
Listed below are some of our recent discussion topics

Helix Dipole

Tom VanFlandern
Patrick Cornille’s “Advanced Electromagnetism and Vacuum Physics”
“While plasma does of course form ubiquitous filamentation, it also forms vortices, pinches, toroids, double layers (i.e. cellular-like structures, bubbles), walls, current-sheets, beads, kinks, etc. We observe all these structures not only in the plasma laboratory, but also many orders of magnitude above. And if we start looking carefully at the atomic and sub-atomic world, we will see them there as well. Not only filaments, but all of the other distinct structures as well.” (Juan Calsiano)
Gabriel Kelemen – Peter Venis



Dave Lapoint – Matter is formed 




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meeting notes

Hamlet’s Mill

Randall Carlson Intro To the Mysteries



007 EU Meetup October 16, 2017

Oct 15 (2 days ago)

to jhafnerJimJuan
Greetings all 🙂
Please join us for the Skype meetup tomorrow:
Monday: October 16, 2017 at
UTC-3       8:00pm
ET             7:00pm
Mountain   5:00pm
PT             4:00pm
Listed below are some of the discussion topics from last week
Jan Lamprecht ★ Hollow Earth Theory Inner Earth Science Evidence ♦ Hollow Planets 
Proof 2
Talk given – diligently – seismic data
Stars in Hour Glass Shape – Spherical 

Filamentary Structure 


Cecil Ronson – Plasma Labs (not found sp?)

Lowell Morgan – Experimental Plasma


Helix Nebula


Garret Hill – Alfven


Typical Alfvén Waves


Kinetic Alfvén Waves


Alfven Nobel Speech – MHD 

When I describe the [plasma phenomena] according to this formulism most referees do not understand what I say and turn down my papers. With the referee system which rules US science today, this means that my papers are rarely accepted by the leading US journals.[14]


Experimental Plasma Research


New Light – Bias – Mel Acheson – Occam’s Beard – Epistomology

It is in this context that, as Mel writes: “it’s necessary for Ockham to grow a beard of speculations that revolutionizes what we used to know.”


FET – BiPolar Junction – 20s pivotal time


Star Distances – Star Cluster Field of View –


Lorentz nor Poincare

Relativity priority dispute

Still, neither Lorentz nor Poincare ever whole-heartedly embraced special relativity, for reasons that may best be summed up by Lorentz when he wrote
Yet, I think, something may also be claimed in favor of the form in which I have presented the theory. I cannot but regard the aether, which can be the seat of an electromagnetic field with its energy and its vibrations, as endowed with a certain degree of substantiality, however different it may be from all ordinary matter. In this line of thought it seems natural not to assume at starting that it can never make any difference whether a body moves through the aether or not, and to measure distances and lengths of time by means of rods and clocks having a fixed position relatively to the aether.

Chaos at 50



Super Ultra Specialization – Reductionism –

Red Shift Falicy – Cosmology Quest – Documentary    – Eric Lerner – “Big Bang Never Happened Theory – Velvet Hammer – Berbige  – Halton Arp Quasars Controversies – Plasma Cosmology – Jans Alfmen     – Anthony Peratt – Things in front of things – Doppler Effect – Galaxies – Opposite of what – “Seeing Red”

Gabriel Keleman – Cymatics



Dave Lapoint –  3 Videos – Double Slit experiment – Matter is formed 





The VU – Radial Attractors:




7:53 PM (11 hours ago)

to jhafnerJim

Jean and Jim

Great talking this evening.
Here are the links for reference.
TetraHedron work I did for Joe Matto.
Password – bucky
Randall Carlson
Infinity Theory
Hey Juan,
Checking out Beltrami flow. Pretty amazing.
I started here:

Led me to this:
Just published apparently.
Digging through it a bit. Interested in your thoughts on  Myron W. Evans & Horst Eckardt ECE & ECE2
Also, I met with Peter Venis earlier today. He is an interesting and nice character. He spent a number of years putting his theory together and is now focused on nutrition. He does not have much “upper level” math background.  I am always compelled to understand peoples motivation and had to question what his imperative was to put all this material together. He said he just saw a puzzle that he needed to explore.  He finds no desire to refute any theories. He insisted it is just another way of looking at phenomena and reality.  He is interested in meeting with us at some point when/if we can coordinate schedules.
I find his idea of a continuum of spatial dimensions pretty radical and compelling. Along with his ideas on the One Field.
Thanks for Beltrami – More to explore.


On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 8:13 PM, Juan Calsiano <juancalsiano@gmail.com> wrote:

Sorry, here is the book.

On 18 October 2017 at 00:09, Juan Calsiano <juancalsiano@gmail.com> wrote:

Start with a nice force-free filament as described by the LSBC model. Such an “inviscid” effectively ideal flow can continue to flow without any significant losses for as long as the larger environment allows it to flow.

Now imagine that such a flow, instead of flowing more or less linearly (even if a part of a larger helix), can now start to steeply curl. For example, if you consider the wave-structure aspect of the filament, consider that such filament encounters a steep density gradient that forces the filament to refract towards the density gradient. Imagine that the physical variables that relate to the filament and to the density gradient are of such particular values that the refraction produces the filament “wave front” to make a ring and thus perfectly join a previous part of the filament, not unlike an ouroboros. A stable self-sustaining discrete layered toroidal force-free structure is born.

Now check out the images on page 147 (and onwards) on the attached book.
Inline images 1
Inline images 2

You may want to google a bit about these Beltrami vortices.


In fluid dynamics, Beltrami flows are flows in which the vorticity vector \mathbf {\omega } and the velocity vector \mathbf {v} are parallel to each other.

On force-free magnetic fields and beltrami flows

Solenoidal vector fields, which satisfy the condition that the field vector everywhere parallels to its curl, have complex topological structures, and usually show chaotic behaviors. In this paper, analytical solutions for vector fields with constant proportional factor in three basic coordinate systems are presented and it is pointed out that a Beltrami flow can sustain a steady force-free magnetic field in a perfectly conducting fluid, provided the magnetic field is parallel to the velocity everywhere.

On 17 October 2017 at 21:18, Jim Weninger <jwen1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Sorry if I already sent this.  (I’m having trouble with my email)
The idea here is that the pair of counter rotating pool vortices can not be understood by looking at the plane of the pool’s surface.  Could this be true for counter rotating galaxies as well?  The question, given observation of galactic “sheets”, is if these are not “sheets”, but in fact “boundaries” between regions of different plasma density.  Plasma does seem to behave this way here maybe: (???)
Related image

002 EU Meetup October 9, 2017

Oct 8 (9 days ago)

to jhafnerJimJuanJoseph
Greetings all 🙂
Please join us for the Skype meetup tomorrow:
Monday: October 9, 2017 at
UTC-3       8:00pm
ET             7:00pm
Mountain   5:00pm
PT             4:00pm
Listed below are some of the discussion topics from last week
Steven Smith – 3D MARs Viewer EU 2014

Alien Sky – MARS
Episode 2 Symbols of an Alien Sky
Neil Adams – Same source image
Andode Tuffs Ralph Juergens

Electric Sun – Discharge – Anode Sun – Cathode Sun 

Infinite Universe – Glenn Borchardt 

From: David W. Johnson <dj@argos.vu>
Date: Tue, Oct 10, 2017 at 2:11 AM
Subject: Fwd: Prayers and Arcana
To: jhafner <jhafner@swcp.com>, Juan Calsiano <juancalsiano@gmail.com>
Cc: Jim Weninger <jwen1@yahoo.com>

Jean and Juan,

I shared this with Jim following our conversation today. I re-read it later on this evening having just run into it over the weekend. (I haven’t been inclined to study alchemy in any depth until recently, as you probably gathered 🙂
Thought you might find it complimentary to our discussion today.


———- Forwarded message ———-
From: David W. Johnson <dj@argos.vu>
Date: Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 8:25 PM
Subject: Prayers and Arcana
To: Jim Weninger <jwen1@yahoo.com>

This guy is apparently a heavy weight.
Dennis William Hauck
Here is a book I got into in the ’80s which includes Godel’s Ideas
Godel Escher Bach
Prayers and Arcana
by Dennis William Hauck
Alchemists try to rid themselves of the lesser gods of ego, dogma, and unyielding archetypes that imprison all of us, so they could move closer to God. More than any other movement in history, truly more so than any religion or science of our times, the alchemists never took their eyes from the true God, the One who is All. This can be seen in the words of the Alchemist’s Prayer:
The Alchemist’s Prayer
Oh, most singular and unspeakable Presence, first and last in the universe, heighten the fury of my fire and burn away the dross of my being. Cleanse my soiled soul; bathe me in your awesome light. Set me free from my history and cut me loose from my boundaries. Unite me with the One Thing hidden in my life, wherein is my only strength. Fill me with your Presence, allow me to see through your Eye, grant me entry to your Mind, let me resonate with your Will. Make me transparent to your flame, and fashion me into a lens for your light only. Transmute me into an incorruptible Stone in your eternal service, like the golden light that surrounds you.
The Emerald Tablet Arcana
Arcanum One: Whatever remains always Below becomes its own worst enemy.
In our ignorance, we are constantly messing up the alchemy of our lives and that of the planet. The opportunistic growth of ego, whether in a person or in a nation, gradually takes over the whole organism and becomes its Tyrant King, who keeps power through disinformation and subterfuge. Ego, on whatever level it manifests, saps us of energy and positions us opposite the divine. By living under ego and not our essence, we are no longer living in truth and bring about our own demise. We loose innocence; our plans and goals become mockeries. Calcination, the hellfire reserved for those who go against the thoughts emanating from the One Mind, who live outside the Operation of the Sun, can take place on a personal, marital, social, national, or planetary level.
Nothing will ever go right, unless we are connected to the One source of all creation. The Rightful Ruler, the sacred Presence within each one of us, must overthrow this despot King. We must acknowledge the Presence beyond ego, for when it is coagulated and ruling our world, we, too, are divine; but when things are not going our way, we are experiencing the justice of Thoth himself. Jesus knew exactly what it meant to remain Below, and he expressed it in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas: “If you bring forth what is within you, what you bring forth can save you. If you do not bring forth what is within you, what you do not bring forth will destroy you.”
Arcanum Two: The way to truth is through Intelligence of the Heart.
Arriving at a solution to any problem requires the suspension of previous assumptions and the discovery of new perspectives. However, one of the most basic and hardest assumptions to give up is the assumption that all problems can be solved rationally. Any thinking scientist or mathematician will tell you that reality is made up of both rational and irrational components. The only totally rational world exists inside computers, where reality is artificial and limited to preprogrammed parameters. As sentient beings, our only advantage is to live on the edge between “yes and no,” in the chaotic zone where only our living intuition knows the way. So, finding truth requires using our minds and following our hearts, which is why the alchemists sought to develop a feeling intellect. That is what they meant when they warned that the alchemist could transmute nothing until he had transmuted himself. At that point, the alchemist opens himself fully to feeling and experience. In fact, in many drawings, alchemists are shown burning or tearing up books to demonstrate that this is not static knowledge or dogma but a living, experiential gnosis.
During meditative work in our own inner laboratories, we too can actually feel the Emerald Formula working within us and living in our heart of hearts. From the perspective of the Emerald Tablet, the only unforgivable sin is smugness, which is the unwillingness to be alive and open to new experience.
Arcanum Three: Every created thing carries the Signature of its creator.
Nature is a book from which the wisdom of the divine can be read. By recognizing the divine signature of a thing, you can understand the connection between the Above and the Below through which it was manifested. Each thing has its own signature, the archetypal essence that can be identified by its similar expressions. By contemplating the relationship between the objects in our lives and the forces that created them, we can arrive at the “thing itself” and know its inherent identity. Only in this way can we understand what these objects or forces mean to us and whether they represent threats or assistance. This application of the Doctrine of Correspondences is fundamental, and by ignoring these congruencies between the Above and the Below we are holding back the wisdom of the universe.
The alchemists became very familiar with the signatures of metals, and we have seen how the physical properties of metals became associated with an individual’s temperament. The alchemists saw that the metals carried the signatures of the planets, just as we carry the signatures of the metals. The same principle was adapted in Paracelsian medicine, in which the signatures of plants determine how they can be used to cure people. Balinas believed that the esoteric signatures of gemstones could also be used to heal. Such alchemical therapies work on both a subtle and a gross level at once, by working with the hidden signatures of things. As we have seen throughout this book, words and images have signatures too, and even religions have their own signature based on how they came into being. By the same token, the God whom people worship places his Signature on their minds.
Arcanum Four: Continued enlightenment comes from living within the Operation of the Sun.
True enlightenment cannot come from earthbound philosophies. We must find a source higher than ourselves, and for the Egyptians and hermeticists of all ages, that source was symbolized by the Sun. This is not primitive sun worship but a genuine regard for the higher alchemy of the universe expressed in the Operation of the Sun. It is a state of consciousness less cut off from the source of life and more in tune with the internal dimensions of the cosmos that are reflected within us.
Whether it is seen simply as the governor of dark and light, the revealer of Cosmic Ages, or the Mind of God, the Operation of the Sun demonstrates the Ouroboros – the Fountain of Fountains – the seemingly endless creation of light and energy feeding off the One Thing within itself. Each one of us can live the same way, if we tap into the inexhaustible reserves of our nuclear Self. To do that, of course, requires peeling away all the leaden layers of falseness that have grown over it in the course of our lives and withdrawing the carbon rods of control placed there by ego. This ouroboric reaction within us is an amazing and unbelievably powerful source of pure energy that can heal our faults and sustain high levels of health and enthusiasm, inspiration and bliss in our lives.
If you follow the Operation of the Sun, which is alchemy, something amazing will begin to unfold in your life. Truly astonishing synchronicities will occur at the intersection of your mind and the One Mind. It is as if your interest in alchemy will cause alchemy to become interested in you.
Arcanum Five: The gateway to the Above is through the True Imagination.
The True Imagination exists on the fine line between real and unreal, manifested and unmanifested. Where do you draw the line at what is real? Your fantasies? Your dreams? Your thoughts? Psychology ¾ is that real? Should we accept the view of quantum physicists that matter itself is an illusion? According to the alchemists, everything is real. Everything we perceive is all part of the same One Thing, and we are as connected to it as we want to be. As the Gateway to the Above, the True Imagination is connected to the physical reality of the One Thing through the archetypes and to the glorified realm of the One Mind through the light of consciousness, and when the forces of Above and Below come together, anything can happen. Many people have experienced this power at the borderline between sleeping and waking, or between death and life. One ten-year-old boy, who had a near-death experience, described it as “walking inside your mind.” At such times, we realize that the universe is alive with Mind, and Mind is a real place, even though the light that dawns there is the imagination.
Using the power of True Imagination, we enter the Greater Mysteries that begin with our Fermentation, in which we experience an influx of meaningful insight and higher inspiration. It is with the True Imagination that we first perceive the Stone. What is the True Imagination? To the alchemists, it was the fusion of Mercury with Sulfur, the passionate union of imagination and will beyond all egocentric fantasy. This combination affects the very fabric of existence, creating a gravity of likely events that brings image to fruition.
Arcanum Six: Your feelings and thoughts are the feelings and thoughts of the Whole Universe.
For the ancients, who lived in accord with the principles of the Operation of the Sun, thoughts and words had tremendous power. To know something’s name was to have complete control over it, because it provided a focus for the use of willful thought. Following the Doctrine of Correspondences, they believed that just as the Thoughts of the One Mind, what we would call the Word of God, created the universe, so can the thoughts and words of mankind change his reality Below. As we approach the millennium, more and more people are realizing this simple truth once again. Meditation groups are at work throughout the world trying to raise the “vibrations” of our planet and repair some of the damage caused by centuries of thoughtless negativity.
We must remember that the intentional articulation of thought is how things are manifested. Consciousness is a force in the universe, and words really do have power. Watch how you use then, for words are sacred. You are yourself the living Word of the cosmos, and you embody the sulfuric awareness and mercurial imagination that materialize the salt of existence. And if you can clear yourself of all the falsity, fantasy, and ignorance around you, if you can return to your most innocent essence, you too can work the miracles of Hermes.
How can mortals work miracles? We work miracles all the time without even being aware of it. All of us are incarnations of Hermes and are constantly either creating lead or gold in our lives. Since we can feel what others feel and think what others think, we change our personal reality by thinking and feeling like certain people. We must learn to think and feel like the person we want to become. We know what it is to be twenty years old; we know what it is to be completely healthy; we know what it is to be creative and insightful. By applying the power of True Imagination, anything is possible. However, because the universe is alive with Mind, our empowered thoughts have repercussions which can produce results we do not expect. There is no way of escaping the power of Thoth, the God of Thought. If you deny it, it will hide from you according to your command. In alchemy, justice means you create your own reality.
Arcanum Seven: The eternal Stone is a purified consciousness that remains intact on all levels.
As Hermes never tires of telling us, over and over, over and over: the One Thing and the One Mind are One. He means that mind and body, Soul and Spirit, male and female, positive and negative, Above and Below, are all One. All sexes, all races, all species, all life is One. All life, all death; all heroes, all villains; all angels, all demons; all gods, all devils are One. Unless you find this One within you ¾ what the alchemists called the Stone ¾ you cannot escape the continual dance of becoming that is duality, even for an instant. That is the message of the Ouroboros. That “All Is One” is the basis of the alchemical principle of changing one thing into another, and alchemical transformation would not be possible unless everything were really One.
Renaissance alchemists sometimes referred to the Stone as the “Telesma,” which means a self-perfecting physical presence similar to our modern idea of the force behind nature or evolution. By working with the Telesma, the alchemists hoped to speed up the process of our species’ evolution, to truly participate in the work of nature, to affect it and transform it, making of it not an evolutionary phenomena but a revolutionary happening within one’s own lifetime. The Stone is the emerging pattern that resulted from the tireless work of the alchemists in past millennia. It is our true legacy, a gift to each of us from each of them. Balinas even included it in his will to us!
We can make of the Stone a truly living presence within us or we can throw it away. The choice is ours, yet if we do not accept it as our salvation, all is lost. In her article “Annals of the Invisible College,” recently published in Lapis magazine, author Jocelyn Godwin presents an impartial and startling summary of the Hermetic Tradition:
“There is nothing left of most people’s souls once they have been filtered through the planetary spheres. The vast majority will be extinguished as personalities soon after death, then perhaps recycled as different people. The adept’s ambition is to survive this general Dissolution, and if he should incarnate again, to do so only through deliberate choice, not through bondage like everyone else. In order to pass beyond the boundaries of the cosmos, symbolized by the starry sphere, and enter consciously into another mode of existence, the adept must have forged, during life, a ‘radiant body’ as a vehicle for this individuality. Knowing of this hyper-esoteric stream makes it easier to understand alchemy. The forging of the radiant body goes in parallel with the chemical events, and its completion is marked by the appearance of the Philosopher’s Stone.”


On Mon, Oct 9, 2017 at 7:54 PM, Jim Weninger <jwen1@yahoo.com> wrote:

Here is an image of the sun, in the local clouds. The mainstream describes the sun’s motion as “skimming the surface” of our cloud, but also doing so in the region between two adjacent clouds.    http://www.dailygalaxy.com/.a/6a00d8341bf7f753ef01b7c7201e0b970b-pi
Those clouds themselves, are imbedded in the “shells” shown here
So that might put the sun in a similar situation as the sphere in the coke can